Chapter 6:
Chapter 6:
Joan Courtenay (14 August 1411 – 1465)
Joan Courtenay (14 August 1411 – 1465)
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16 generations between Joan Courtenay and James Rupuha Elers
16 generations between Joan Courtenay and James Rupuha Elers
There are references in some entries eg in “Find A Grave” and “Prater/ Prather Genealogy,” that Nicholas and Joan may also have been parents to three daughters – being Jane Carew (married a Talbot), Elizabeth Carew (married John Challons), and Florence (a nun at Canonleigh).
However, the historical book titled “The Original Visitation of the County of Cornwall 1620” only records the five sons listed above as does the will and probate of Sir William (The National Archives prob 11/12/390) dated 26 May 1501 and proved 28 June 1501.
The lives of Joan Courtenay and Sir Nicholas Carew
The lives of Joan Courtenay and Sir Nicholas Carew
Source: Wikipedia
Joan, born on 14 August 1411 (figure 1) at Haccombe and baptised in the church there (WikiTree) was eventually to become her mother’s sole heiress.
She wed Sir Nicholas Carew (1408-3 May 1447) in 1425 (figure 1) He was Baron Carew of Mohuns Ottery, Lord of Carew Castle in Pembrokeshire, Wales, and of Moulesford in Berkshire. Joan and Nicholas had five sons (Thomas, Sir Nicholas, Sir William, Alexander, and Hugh).
Figure 1
Nicholas, born in 1408 (figure 2) in Moulsford, Berkshire (Source: WikiTree), was the son of Thomas Carew and his wife Elizabeth Bonville of Shute.
Figure 2
After the death of Sir Nicholas, by Royal Licence dated 5 October 1450, she married Sir Robert Vere, second son of Richard de Vere, 15th Earl of Oxford, with whom she had a son John Vere. To John she gave Roseworthy, Bosewen, and Tregennon, in Cornwall. (Source: Sir William’s will and probate Prob 11/12/390 12).
Despite the Royal Licence being granted in 1450, records show that Joan and Robert did not marry until 1 November 1452 in Haccombe, Devon.
Robert was slain in Cornwall.
Joan died “shortly before 3 August 1465” at Haccombe, Devon. However (figure 1) above, from “Find A Grave” quotes her death as 1501. I have decided to quote 1465 as the year of death, as per Sir William’s will and probate.
She was the heiress of sixteen manors, which she divided among her sons except the eldest Thomas.
PROGENY OF NICHOLAS and JOAN
1. Thomas Carew
Was born in 1427 and lived at Mohuns Ottery.
Due to his failure to answer a summons to military service, and his never being knighted, it has been conjectured that he had poor health or was otherwise physically handicapped.
He received no land from his mother, “disobliging his mother by undutifully given her a blow” (National Archives Prob 11/12/390 12).
Thomas married Joan Carminowe (1427-1502), daughter of Thomas and Joan Hill Carminowe, on 13 November 1444.
They had a son Nicholas Carew (1444 – 1470).
Thomas died on 1 October 1461.
On the death of Thomas, Joan married Sir Halnath Mauleverer, Sheriff of Cornwall and Devon, Constable of Launceston Castle. He died c 1484.
2. Sir Nicholas Carew
Was born in 1433.
His mother gave him Haccombe, Ringmore, and Milton.
He married Elizabeth Croker, daughter of Sir John Croker. And they had a son John (1466-1503).
Nicholas died on 13 September 1469 and was buried at St Blaise Church, Haccombe (figure 3).
Elizabeth was born circa 1436 and was also buried at Haccombe on her death in 1483.
After the death of Nicholas, Elizabeth married John Seymour, Sheriff of Wiltshire.
They had three sons, Sir John Seymour, Alexander Seymour, Humphrey Seymour.
3. Sir William Carew
See his bio in “The Lives of Sir William Carew and Margaret Chedworth” – Chapter 7.
4. Alexander Carew
Born in 1437, he married Elizabeth Hatch, daughter of John Hatch, and had a son John Carew who in turn married Thomasine Holland, daughter of Roger Holland. His mother gave him East-Anthony in Cornwall, Shoggebroke, and Landegy.
John and Thomasine had two children Sir Wynand Carew and Jane Carew.
5. Hugh Carew
Was born in 1439 and died in 1470 without issue.
His mother gave him Lynham, Comb-Hall, and Southtawton.
He died issueless so his portion went to his brother Nicholas.
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